Thanks, Reviewers! (Part 2 of 2)
Posted by Jonathan Cohen on January 15, 2007 02:46 PM
Just before Christmas, we announced a new milestone – 100,000 reviewer comments and counting! Today we’ll highlight ten tips for making the most of your site review: what types of comments might prompt SiteAdvisor to change one of its Web safety ratings? Which reports, though informative, won’t result in a modified Web safety rating?
But first, a quick clarification about how reviewer comments affect a site's rating. Reviewer comments never automatically change a site's rating. All comments are reviewed by SiteAdvisor to determine when a preponderance of credible evidence indicates a ratings change may be warranted. That means that a given site is not subject to an automatic ratings change by, say, a malicious competitor who posts unsubstantiated negative comments.
So what types of reviews are most likely to be deemed credible, and thus have an impact on a site's rating?
Five Ways to Make Your Reviews Stand Out
1) Identify a scam site we haven’t found yet:
SiteAdvisor staffers try to flag scam sites that would be nearly impossible for our automated ‘bots to catch. For example, we warn about work-at-home sites that promise fantastic pay-outs in return for up-front payment, ringtone sites that employ automatic rebilling without full or adequate disclosure and other sites that sell products or services which are normally available for free. But we can’t find them all. Submit a review about a scam site and clearly explain why it is misleading or deceptive. It’s extra helpful to judge it based on criteria developed by third parties like the U.S. Federal Trade Commission.
2) Refer to the research of other well-established security researchers:
We don’t monitor all the white hats out there conducting their own research. For example, if you find a site with a security breech and the experts at SpywareWarrior, VitalSecurity, or CastleCops agree with you, add a link in your comment to their findings.
3) Weed out False-Positives:
A false-positive refers to a site that received a red rating but actually deserves a green one. This doesn’t happen often, but when it does, it’s often because our automated testing flagged a download from a utilities site or a security researcher. For example, we rated factbites.com as yellow until a user wrote in to clarify that it is a research oriented site that should have been green.
4) Strength in numbers:
The more users who complain about a site rating (particularly users with high reputation scores), the more seriously we’ll consider a reported Web safety issue. That said, while we respect what every reviewer has to say, we don’t always agree. (See the newgrounds.com example from Part 1 of this feature)
5) Be prolific and insightful:
Here’s a case where it pays to do your homework and write often. The more often you submit a review and the more insightful your reviews, the higher your reputation score will become.
Every time a fellow reviewer clicks “yes,” your reputation accumulates more points. Get enough points and your reputation score (out of maximum of 9) goes up.
The higher your reputation, the more weight we will give to your comments. To see our list of reviewers ranked by reputation score, click here.
Two Things to Avoid
1) “Bad” Language:
Profanity and flame wars are not helpful for site ratings, and we'll often remove posts with such language.
2) Vendettas:
This is not the forum to conduct a personal vendetta against a site. If you had a bad e-commerce experience, by all means, share. Include as much detail as possible: was the customer service non-existent? Was the advertising misleading? How? Did the product never arrive? But if you and the site owner are headed for court, leave the depositions with the lawyers. We reserve the right to truncate or remove long, rambling rants, particularly when they become personal.
Three Possible Reasons Your Review Didn’t Change the Site’s Rating
1) Inability to confirm the data:
We encourage you to include details in your posts like your virus scanner alerts, but sometimes, we can’t replicate the result with our own scan. Since we re-test on a regular basis, if the site truly has a safety issue, we’ll catch it sooner or later and document the issue.
2) Not enough time to confirm the data:
Many of our most prolific community members paste the headers and text from spammy e-mails they believe they received from the site in question. With e-mail in particular, however, it takes time to prove that a sign-up at that site results in spammy e-mail, and we'll generally want to recreate and document the issue ourselves before changing a site's rating. (Take a look at the extensive process we go through here). But such comments are still helpful, and allow us to prioritize sites for additional testing. Where there’s smoke, there’s often fire.
3) Not enough data:
We aren’t likely to change a site’s rating based on a single reviewer experience. Especially for e-commerce sites, a single bad experience, no matter how egregious, could be a fluke. We typically require a critical mass of reviewer feedback to accumulate before we change a site’s rating.
Your Suggestions
SiteAdvisor’s Web safety rating system is far richer because of the invaluable human component provided by our volunteers reviewers. We’d like to know your suggestions for Reviewer Central. You can let us know through the comments section of this post.

Comments
I really like your yellow indicator for web sites. Is it possible we could use the yellow indicator (use caution) in our reviews as well?
Posted by: Pyotr | January 25, 2007 02:48 PM
Dear site advisor,
I just recently purchased site advisor when I renewed my McAfee security account and in the time since then I have been so impressed with how it works that I wanted to be a part of what you guys are doing(thanks for having me). I've got a lot of studying to do but, I know that I can become a valuble part of your team in the near future. I've submitted downloads for analysis and can't wait to see the results. My son is 11 years old and site advisor really helps him stay on the right track because he has a "ichy" clicking finger and is quick to click. As for advise, I have none right now, you guys really have it together. Glad to be a part of it!! Thanks again,
Smitty 38
Posted by: Smitty38 | February 8, 2007 11:21 PM
Dear Site Advisor,
As a website designer I'm very pleased with Site Advisor! It indicates the safety of the website very clearly! But there is however one little problem.
Once someome makes a mistake as for instance: using a guestbooksystem that published the submitted email addresses online. That website gets the yellow warning...of course!
But even when the problem is solved the same day. The yellow marked warning sign stays...even after more than six months! Even if the website owner leaves a comment that the problem was solved, nothing changes!
How long do we have to pay for a mistake?? People do not allways read the comments! They look at red, yellow green or signs when they decide to visit. The website is safe now! But the sign still tells you: "causion this site publishes your e-mail address online!" Many people decide not to visit a completely safe website!
Is there no solution to this problem?
Posted by: VanZonDesign | May 23, 2007 04:04 AM
Hi VanZonDesign,
It's Shane from SiteAdvisor. It's great that you took such quick action to fix the problem. However, our system requires a site to stay "green" for a while before we will change the rating.
If you want to check on the status of your rating, send an e-mail to complaints shift 2 siteadvisor period com.
Posted by: Shane Keats | May 25, 2007 10:08 AM
SiteAdvisor staff,
It would be nice to have the ability for reviewers to leave comments on sites that are not yet reviewed by the SiteAdvisor staff.
Our company identifies many sites through our own automated scans and would like to share our results with the community to the web a better place!
I realize there is the ability to submit a site for SiteAdvisor review, but having some feedback before the official rating may save some users - if they take the time to read the comments.
Thanks :-)
Posted by: motobot | June 25, 2007 11:20 AM
Of course site advisor is a very valuable tool.
However I'd like to point out that affiliates online are necessary for making sales for the creators of some downloadable products. A red flag is sometimes given too quickly.
An affiliate online or in cyberworld is the same as in the real world, it is just someone who sells someone elses product. Why is that automatically seen as something scammy?
I totally agree there are a lot of scams out there, but that should only be taken in consideration with bad shoppingexperiences.
Affiliateprograms are ideal for stay at home moms for example, especially when they have problemchildren like I have. If an affiliate program is automatically taken as scam, you are killing our income.
Thank you for reading,
Nadine Wouters
Posted by: Nadine | June 27, 2007 08:23 AM
I've submitted downloads for analysis and can't wait to see the results. My son is 11 years old and site advisor really helps him stay on the right track because he has a "ichy" clicking finger and is quick to click. As for advise, I have none right now, you guys really have it together. We encourage you to include details in your posts like your virus scanner alerts, but sometimes, we can’t replicate the result with our own scan. Since we re-test on a regular basis, if the site truly has a safety issue, we’ll catch it sooner or later and document the issue.
Posted by: Alexandra | July 6, 2007 03:06 PM